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How will Roam scale?


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Norman Chella 路 6/19/21

Hey there. This is the airspace for the brand new episode that just came up with Kato Miner, who is a great experimenter in the world of Rome research. He's been doing all sorts of things with the tool as well as going on adventures with other Notetaking apps and learning all sorts of things from them. I really enjoyed this episode and I really enjoyed having a great conversation with him. So here we are, this airspace to talk about that. I would love to hear any feedback that you have for the episode. What are your most interesting takeaways and insights? And I wanted to start off this airspace of the following prompt from this episode and that is how will Roam scale. We're seeing a lot of developments in various other apps. We're seeing a lot of interesting features and you know, performance updates, etc, speeds, new apps, mobile apps, etc. But I would love to hear your take on it for anyone who is willing to be part of this discussion to hear how Rome will take its place in the world of PKM Notetaking and tools for thoughts, no apps and space. So with that being said, enjoy. And I would love to hear more from everybody else. Thanks.

Norman Chella 路 6/19/21

Hey there, Romans. Just to clarify, I will be in this airspace for the next day and a half or so, and you can use this space to send your audio messages and questions, and I will be responding to them. Sorry for the initial voice note. It was pretty long, but no comments, feedback, questions you'd like answered. Just send in a voice note and I will respond to you. Looking forward to it.

Brandon Toner 馃尡 路 6/20/21

Hey, Norm, love the prompt. How will Rome scale? I think that's a fantastic question. I'm looking forward to listening to the episode, to hearing some of your thoughts and the discussion around the question. I'm Super interested in the answers, and I'm Super interested in exploring this because I think there's a huge amount of potential with what Rome is built so far and so many directions where it can go next.

Norman Chella 路 6/20/21

Yeah. That's what's really exciting about this, because Rome is at the forefront at the moment in terms of the development and potential solutions that they're trying to design to handle collaborative knowledge work. And pair that with all the buzz that's happening surrounding Grom research. It's like there's a lot of eyes set upon the tool, so we're excited to see not only what interesting solutions they'll provide, but also the the potential to scale is an exciting but also alarming thought to have. So, Yeah. Enjoy the episode.

Sam Rukeyser 路 6/20/21

So I'm going to attach an error quote from the episode it's of Kato describing how he learned eight pages of Latin text by heart, which I was a Latin student. And honestly, that sounds like my worst nightmare. But it did have me thinking I really make an effort to keep most of everything in my notes these days, and I memorize very little. And I'm wondering what I might be missing out on because of that. Maybe I'm missing out on some of those creative connections, but wondering if you have any thoughts on that.

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Cato Minor: Roam Experiments, Medieval Knowledge Work, Memory

Norman Chella 路 6/20/21

So this comes from my experience actually helping people with building their creative markets and their memory palaces. The Fundamental Points There are two points to this. The fundamental two points of making sure that you are that you have knowledge within your mind and applying it is the ability to recall on the ability to synthesize so before tools like research or even Evernote, etc, you want to memorize a lot of things as much as possible. There's only so much you can do when you're writing things in pen and paper and you want to carry all this knowledge with you. So part of this is the ability to recall the extent of your knowledge, bring it up and embody that knowledge, and then apply it in the context as you see fit. I think that's kind of missing when we outsource these things to like tools like room research, because you now don't have to memorize it anymore. Like the functions of a brain dictate that we can try to remember something. And we also use the same energy from that brain to synthesize knowledge, to apply knowledge, to actually use it in a specific context, or to create creative connections. It's missing now, and you don't have to because these tools are so convenient, but that's also quite alarming because then you don't have to worry about remembering them. Why bother? Why bother thinking about them? Because you can just look back at your knowledge graph. So I think it's great that such conveniences are available, but then we have lowered the priority of this specific aspect, the ability to recall on hand knowledge where it's applicable. But if we actually train that skill, then even if we're using our knowledge graphs or tools, then we can recall just even in the back end of the back of our minds that this specific block is useful. Et cetera, et cetera. I think having a greater emphasis on this would be fantastic.

Boris . 路 6/20/21

I'm not sure if it will in the current state. It has limitations on the size of the graph, and it's already consuming too much memory in the browser.

Norman Chella 路 6/20/21

Hey, Lori, thanks for giving a response here. I can see that definitely right. When we have a knowledge graph that is too huge, it starts to slow down. Performance issues start to become very apparent. When you're trying to play with ideas or do knowledge work in your head, you want speed to be well if you want it to be seamless, the experience and when you have technical limitations like memory bringing up or if you have a lot of notes in your graph, but then it starts to become slow but gets highlighted a lot more. I would think that Rome Scalability is defined or is limited by its technical capabilities or its technical foundations. And if that becomes so seamless, that to the point where no matter if Let's say you and me, we compare our knowledge graphs and yours is way bigger. It's still just as fast. Then scalability then becomes a natural byproduct or a side effect. So I would love to see more that happen, but I can see I can understand if you think that it can. They scale currently is a questionable thought, but I'm also quite optimistic about it.

kyle 路 6/20/21

I like your final question to Kate. About what Rome means to him. I'm curious about your answer to that same question. What does Home mean to you? Has this evolved over time.

Norman Chella 路 6/20/21

Hey, Kyle, thanks for responding to this. Yeah, this question is a staple question for a lot of the episodes, but what does Home mean to me? Has been an answer that has definitely just like you said, it has evolved over time. In the beginning, it's just been this note taking place where I just have note that I've written about, and I've just put it in there and it just becomes this giant warehouse of information that I've thought about in my head over the last few years. But it started to create its own semi pseudo consciousness of its own. Like Roma ended up becoming a character or a best friend. If there's a good analogy for that in my head that I can talk to my past, my present, my future, selves, and all the characters in my head are now embodied in text form that I can talk with, and I can refer to as I am chatting with them via keyboard or via mouse. So Rome to me is like a way for me to embrace being alone more because I just get more confidence in my own thoughts. I see it as this. What is the word for it? Inseparable friend, a brother, a father, a mother, a family member that I would never, ever lose connections with. And the fact that I have now personalized or turn this tool into sort of like a person that I almost have a conversation with, where my firm belief everything is a conversation just shows how much it means to me that it means so much that I have to use metaphors to explain my.

James Stephen Roberts 路 6/20/21

I'm going to keep this as concise as possible, but fantastic podcast. Congratulations, man. I feel like you guys are really pushing the boundaries of your own understandings, and we're kind of taking us along with the ride with you. So thank you for that. I used to be around power use. I kind of moved over to notion a little bit, primarily because I'm trying to reconcile how to log all of these thoughts in Rome, how to reconcile it with the power of forgetting and having those sort of more natural sense of what's important and what's not.

Norman Chella 路 6/20/21

Hey, James, thank you so much. Once again, thank you for the compliment. Yeah, that's pretty much the premise of the show. Like I started the show to to further understand my relationship with my notes through this tool of Rome and all these interesting people. And as we have these conversations, I learn along the way and having this out there. We have wonderful listeners like yourself to also learn just as the third person at the table while we're talking about all things, Roman information and whatnot, I also really resonate with what you set. The notion of forgetting something or the notion of figuring out if something is important or not is severely underrated. I have many notes in my room. My workflow in Rome research is very stable, in my opinion, for myself, for how I think, but I have a lot of notes that I've forgotten. I really have. I don't look at a lot of the notes in my room anymore, but it's not like a majority 80% or anything like that. It's like maybe 20 to 40%, like blocks and pages, et cetera. Yet the workflows have changed over time, and the flexibility of Rome is that you can overhaul your workflows if necessary. So I had a lot of time to experiment with what works or what's not, which meant that my ability to forget or my ability to filter out the important blocks has become this muscle that has just been trained over time. I'm sure that this kind of feeling can be emulated in other tools, like notion, etcetera. For me, it just became way more seamless in Rome. So, Yeah, if you're having those thoughts of figuring out what to forget as well as what to remember, that the economy of that you are well on your way there, because that is a sign of your ability to self introspect and and create a custom workflow that really reflects who you are. Because this Rome graph reflects who I am, really.